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Nothing Existed Except the Eyes of the Maharshi
by N.R. Krishnamurti Aiyer. Oct. 29, 2001
Who Are You? An Interview With Papaji by
Jeff Greenwald. Oct. 24, 2001
An Interview with Byron Katie by Sunny
Massad. Oct. 23, 2001
An Interview with Douglas Harding by Kriben
Pillay. Oct. 21, 2001
The Nectar of Immortality by Sri Nisargadatta
Maharaj. Oct. 18, 2001
The Power of the Presence Part Two by David
Godman. Oct. 15, 2001
The Quintessence of My Teaching by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj. Oct. 3, 2001
Interview With David Godman. Sept. 28, 2001
The Power of the Presence Part One by David
Godman. Sept. 28, 2001
Nothing Ever Happened Volume 1 by
David Godman. Sept. 23, 2001
Collision with the Infinite by Suzanne
Segal. Sept. 22, 2001
Lilly of the Valley, the Bright and Morning
Star by Charlie Hopkins. August 9, 2001
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Can
you give me an example of how this worked?
When
I volunteered to look after Lakshmana Swamy's
land in the late 80s, I had about $20 to my name.
Somebody in Canada whom I had spoken to for about
ten minutes two years before got out of bed and
suddenly felt that he should give me some money.
He sent me $1,000, which was enough to get the
garden going. I lived like that for years. When
you work for Gurus, God pays the bills. That's
my experience anyway.
It
was Papaji who encouraged me to start working
for myself. He himself was a householder who spent
decades supporting his family. He generally wouldn't
let anyone give up his or her worldly life until
retirement age, which in India is around 55. When
I started work on Nothing Ever Happened,
I assumed that all the proceeds would go to him,
or to some organization that was promoting his
teachings. At some point during the research though,
he let me know that he wanted me to accept royalties
from the sale of the book.
Nowadays,
I am not supported by any institution, so I publish
my own books and live off the proceeds, which
I have to say are minimal. I can live fairly comfortably
in a third world country such as India, but if
I tried to live in America on what I earn from
my books, I would be several thousand dollars
a year below the poverty line.
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Arunachala
brought me here in the same way it brought Ramana
here. And it has kept me here for most of the
last 25 years. I have occasionally left to be
with teachers in other places: Nisargadatta Maharaj
in Bombay, Lakshmana Swamy in Andhra Pradesh,
Papaji in Lucknow, but Arunachala has always brought
me back here afterwards. It's my spiritual center
of gravity. I can make an effort to be somewhere
else if I feel I would spiritually benefit from
it, but when I stop making that effort, the natural
pull of Arunachala brings me back here again.
It's the only place in the world that I feel truly
at home.
Arunachala
has been attracting people for well over 1,500
years. Ramana liked to quote a saint of about
500 years ago who wrote in one of his verses,
"Arunachala, you draw to yourself all those
who are rich in jnana tapas." Jnana tapas
can be translated as the extreme efforts made
by those who are in search of liberation.
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brought me here in the same way
it brought Ramana here. And it
has kept me here for most of the
last 25 years."
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There
are dozens of teachers nowadays who tour the world
touting their experiences and their teachings.
Many of them trace their lineage back to Ramana
Maharshi via Papaji. And where did Ramana Maharshi's
power and authority come from? From Arunachala,
his own Guru and God. He explicitly stated that
it was the power of Arunachala that brought about
his own Self-realization. He wrote poems extolling
its greatness, and in the last 54 years if his
life, he never moved more than a mile and a half
away from its base. So, it is the power of Arunachala
that is the true source of the power that now
appears as "advaita messengers" all
over the world.
For
me, this is the world's great power spot. Arunachala
has brought about the liberation of several advanced
seekers in the past few centuries, and its radiant
power remains even today as a beacon for those
who want to find out who they really are.
Have
there been living people whom you regarded as
your Gurus, or who had an especially strong impact
on you spiritually?
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I
think the four key spiritual figures would be
Lakshmana Swamy, Saradamma, Nisargadatta Maharaj
and Papaji. I have to include Ramana Maharshi
on this list, even though I never met him while
he was alive. I feel him as strongly as I have
felt any other teacher. The Self that took the
form of Ramana Maharshi is my Guru. He lit the
lamp of enlightenment in the Heart of a few of
his devotees, and when I sit in the presence of
these beings I am receiving the luster, the light
of Ramana Maharshi through them. So I will not
say that my Guru has a particular form. I will
say that the light of Arunachala became manifest
in Ramana, and through him it was passed on to
Lakshmana Swamy, Papaji, and Saradamma. When I
bask in their light, I am basking in the living,
transmitting light of Arunachala Ramana.
Nisargadatta
does not belong to this lineage, but he was an
enormously beneficial presence in my life in the
late 1970s and early 80s. I used to go and see
him as often as I could. He repeatedly told me
"you are consciousness" and on a few
rare, glorious occasions I understood what he
was talking about. He was not simply giving me
information, he was instead describing my own
state, my own experience in that moment. That
was his technique. He would talk endlessly about
the Self until you suddenly realized directly,
"Yes, this is what I am right now."
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Ever Happened by David Godman. |
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you used any practices in addition to those associated
with Sri Ramana? |
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From the moment I first encountered Bhagavan and
his teachings in the 1970s I have never found myself
attracted to any other teachings or practices. |
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often wonder whether Westerners misunderstand Ramana
Maharshi. What are the most common misconceptions
about his teachings? |
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I
am not sure how much understanding there is of
Ramana Maharshi and his teachings in the West.
He is an iconic figure to a vast number of people
who are following some sort of spiritual path.
I think that for many people he epitomizes all
that is best in the Hindu Guru tradition, but
having said that, I think that very few people
know much about him, and even fewer have a good
grasp of his teachings. Not many people read books
about him nowadays I know that from trying
to sell my own and
even fewer would profess themselves to be his
devotee. I find there is very little interest
in his teachings even among the people who come
to visit Ramanasramam. Nowadays, many of the people
who come are spiritual tourists, pilgrims who
just travel round India, checking out all the
various ashrams and teachers.
About
twenty years ago I met a foreigner here who had
come to the ashram for advice on how to do self-inquiry
properly. For several days he couldn't find anyone
who was practicing it, even in Ramanasramam. The
people he asked in the ashram office just told
him to buy the ashram's publications and find
out from them how to do it. Eventually, he had
what he thought was a bright idea. He stood outside
the door of the meditation hall at Ramanasramam,
the place where Sri Ramana lived for over twenty
years, and asked everyone who came out how to
do self-inquiry. It transpired that none of the
people inside were doing self-inquiry. They came
out one by one and said, "I was doing japa,"
or "I was doing vispassana," or "I
was doing Tibetan visualizations."
How
can there be misunderstandings among people who
have never even bothered to find out the teachings
in the first place, or put them into practice?
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twenty years ago I met a foreigner
here who had come to the ashram
for advice on how to do self-inquiry
properly. For several days he
couldn't find anyone who was practicing
it, even in Raman-asramam."
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think that some people who are now teaching
in the West are creating misunderstandings
about his teachings. Some of them seem to
confuse glimpses of nonduality and feelings
of relative selflessness with Self-realization.
Since a number of these teachers trace their
lineage back to Sri Ramana, their students
project the ideas of these teachers onto Sri
Ramana. What do you think about this?
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What
are Sri Ramana's teachings? If you ask people
who have become acquainted with his life
and work, you might get several answers
such as "advaita" or "self-inquiry."
I don't think Sri Ramana's teachings were
either a belief system or a philosophy,
such as advaita, or a practice, such as
self-inquiry.
Sri Ramana himself would say that his principal
teaching was silence, by which he meant
the wordless radiation of power and grace
that he emanated all the time. The words
he spoke, he said, were for the people who
didn't understand these real teachings.
Everything he said was therefore a kind
of second-level teaching for people who
were incapable of dissolving their sense
of "I" in his powerful presence.
You may understand his words, or at least
think that you do, but if you think that
these words constitute his teachings, then
you have really misunderstood him.
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Photo
of Sri Ramana Maharshi copyright Sri Ramanasramam
and others. Used by permission.
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