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SM:
Do you drive?
BK:
It's like, they had to teach me not to drive on
sidewalks cuz it was logical that if the traffic
stopped you'd just go over here. So you have to
learn everything all over again.
SM:
Have you been reading the last 10 years?
BK:
No. It's not that I don't, or wouldn't, it's,
well, there's no time. It's, um, I say yes to
everything, and a book doesn't talk. If it came
to me to read it, I'd just pick it up and do it.
SM:
Was it instant or did it evolve that you actually
began to understand in this way…
BK:
I just have to honestly say people had to tell
me that something was going on at all. And I saw
it was their story. It didn't change anything
from here. I could just see that in their opinion,
there was something different. And that still
holds true these 13 years later. That I see absolutely
no difference between you and I, except you, whoever
you are, humans…insist that there's something
true.
SM:
Why are people so afraid?
BK:
Well, where would you be without your story?
SM:
Many people may say, they think that what they'd
be is dead.
BK:
Well, that's my experience.
SM:
Although you are alive.
BK:
According to you. Limited to your story.
SM:
So if the story isn't there…
BK:
Nothing.
SM:
You would be nothing?
BK:
That's my experience.
SM:
And do you know why the mind is afraid of becoming
nothing?
BK:
Well, it's, it's death. Actually, it is, it's
peace. And it longs for it.
SM:
And yet, it's terrified…or something's terrified.
BK:
Yes. Radical physical shifts. I went from over
200 pounds down to just, where my husband was
just fearful, I was so thin, and it was just…an
amazing phenomenon. And my tongue, if I ate any
kind of animal product at all, my tongue would
bleed. And that's how I knew to eat vegetarian
and not even dairy. And that's shifted now and
it doesn't happen anymore. But it would just bleed
and I would just have to hold a handkerchief on
it. But then it would just move through.
I
don't know, if my joy were told, in a physical
realm, it would blow the ceiling off of this place.
So it just appears like this. But it's always
manic, yet joy filled. So, the phenomenon stopped
at about three years and about seven it began
to mature. It was pretty much maturing. And then
that was a beginning. Just a beginning.
What
it felt like was…the density was so great,
that it couldn't contain that lightness. That's
why I say, at no point can you say it's done.
And I haven't even started. I mean I am a puppy.
It's infinite.
SM:
Do you think that the changes that occurred in
your behaviour would be the same changes that
might inevitably occur in anyone's behaviour?
BK:
Yes, happiness. Doing whatever it is that's good.
This is its own happiness. And it knows how to
live that way because that is what it is. And
it spills over.
SM:
What leads you to make this judgment?
BK:
Projection.
SM:
Is there anyone living or dead, whom you believe
experiences or has experienced sustained transcendence?
BK:
Everyone. But they say not.
SM:
Are sustained transcendent experiences related
to global change, world peace, or a larger significance
than personal transformation?
BK:
I am devoted to total world peace. I am the world.
Of course I would have all the parts of me showing
in that place within me for the party. I supply
a way, a path home and they follow it or not.
As it should be.
SM:
Thank you.
BK:
You're welcome. If I were to ask anything, I would
ask that you wrote nothing and that would be truer.
And if you think it would serve, you could just
write whatever you want.
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